president clinton said that nelson mandela chose the politics of inclusion, instead of the politics of resentment, and that had to be a difficult choice given some of the pressures he was under. >> i'm glad you are using the term inclusion. apartheid meant exclusion. he felt the best way to defeat the whole exclusion that apartheid represented was to be as inclusive as possible. yes, there were some among the liberation movements, not just the anc who questioned the logic behind reconciliation and speaking to the actual enemy, but whilst nelson mandela said, "i spent 27 years in prison", all of us had to keep quiet and listen to him. we trusted him. >> and desmond tutu also said that had nelson mandela not taken that position, that had nelson mandela not had the dignity and the grace and the strength to reconcile, that the country would have gone up in flames. do you think he saved the country from a civil war? >> he saved the country from bloodshed, yes. especially after the death of chris ani. after he was assassinated, it was nelson mandela that came up and said as angry and sad as